Comments for Butterflies and Wheels http://www.ix4ohyd1.top Discussing all the things Thu, 21 May 2020 20:32:43 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.3.3 Comment on It’s not optional by Blood Knight in Sour Armor http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/its-not-optional-2/#comment-2765054 Thu, 21 May 2020 20:32:43 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115739#comment-2765054 ” Trump doesn’t get to visit a Ford factory with an assault rifle and shoot a bunch of people, and he doesn’t get to refuse to wear a mask.”

Ophelia, I you really all that sure about that? ‘Cuz I’m not.

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Comment on You’re a mess today sir? by Dave Ricks http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/youre-a-mess-today-sir/#comment-2765052 Thu, 21 May 2020 20:26:42 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115741#comment-2765052 A paper now in early release estimates the original Wuhan outbreak of covid-19 had R? of 5.7, but I’m not promoting that estimate as one “right” value.

I’ll listen to John Barry’s interview from last week to see if he said something I don’t understand yet.

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Comment on Appropriating Karen by iknklast http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/appropriating-karen/#comment-2765048 Thu, 21 May 2020 19:52:16 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115722#comment-2765048 I was so jaded before Trump, I’m not sure where I could go, but I am more jaded now…what would be the most appropriate gem for that? I may have to look it up.

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Comment on Incel terror by iknklast http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/incel-terror/#comment-2765047 Thu, 21 May 2020 19:50:49 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115729#comment-2765047 Claire, I’ve been noticing that in my classes. Grown up college students who have the attitudes and minds of juveniles – and often the vocabulary and writing skills to go with it. Many of these students have children of their own, and I wonder how you manage to raise children when you are so immature yourself. (I wondered that about my sister, too, until all her kids were taken away because she couldn’t raise them properly.)

The local high school drama departments all put on kid’s shows in their plays. When I was in high school drama, we wouldn’t have been caught dead being in children’s plays. But the schools don’t think they are ready for “adult” plays (I put quotes on because I don’t mean erotica or language, just grown-up). My students watch children’s movies, Disney being the most popular among these 20-somethings. Not with the kids, not as a now and then just for a break from serious adulthood, but ALL THE TIME.

Into this world, where children grow up to be children, crashed the internet. And misogyny. It was a perfect storm.

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Comment on Let them eat cheeseburgers by iknklast http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/let-them-eat-cheeseburgers/#comment-2765046 Thu, 21 May 2020 19:45:45 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115735#comment-2765046 Freemage, in the farm country where I live, it’s Rush, Hannity, Breitbart, and Fox News. Go to a motel here – Fox News. Go to a restaurant – Fox News. For a while, they were playing Fox News on a giant TV in our student services building; maybe someone complained about the bias, because they switched to CNN for a while. The TV is never on now.

So, yeah, all of the above.

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Comment on Self-incrimination by twiliter http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/self-incrimination/#comment-2765042 Thu, 21 May 2020 19:37:32 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115744#comment-2765042 I don’t disagree, Donnie Dipshit. I think if Fox wants to portray your allies as the idiots they are, in all their glory, then they are doing you a great disservice, I mean how dare they not spin the reporting exactly the way you want them to? We need a more fascist, propaganda driven Fox, with no dissenters! Why are they not creating a special report with updates on “Obamagate”? Yes they are all against you, you poor stupid bastard. Want some cheese with that whine or what?

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Comment on Trump suppressing votes by twiliter http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/trump-suppressing-votes/#comment-2765041 Thu, 21 May 2020 19:26:37 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115727#comment-2765041 Indeed, when I lived in California (for 45 years), there were no restrictions on voting absentee whether you were absent or not. Voting by mail has a long and trusted history. Trump is worried about fraud because he is one.

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Comment on Self-incrimination by Screechy Monkey http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/self-incrimination/#comment-2765038 Thu, 21 May 2020 19:14:20 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115744#comment-2765038 Fox News: We’re “fair and balanced,” because we present both the view that Trump is the greatest President ever, and the view that Trump is the greatest person ever.

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Comment on It’s not optional by Your Name's not Bruce? http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/its-not-optional-2/#comment-2765037 Thu, 21 May 2020 19:13:52 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115739#comment-2765037 I would love to see someone bar an un-masked Trump from entering the plant. I can just imagine it. Lone, unarmed civilian blocks the deployment of brutal, unbridled, autocratic intimidation. Complete with video footage and still images. It would be the 2020 version of Tank Man.

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Comment on You’re a mess today sir? by Ophelia Benson http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/youre-a-mess-today-sir/#comment-2765032 Thu, 21 May 2020 18:49:50 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115741#comment-2765032 Hmm, thanks. I thought I heard John Barry say with much emphasis on Fresh Air last week the the flu was far more contagious, but I must have scrambled it.

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Comment on You’re a mess today sir? by Naif http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/youre-a-mess-today-sir/#comment-2765030 Thu, 21 May 2020 18:41:04 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115741#comment-2765030 Estimated base R0 for covid-19 is 2.0-2.5, 1918 was 2-3, so not that different in terms of how contagious they are, but very different lethality – with the number of benign asymptomatic cases make it somewhat harder to stop covid.

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Comment on Incel terror by Claire http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/incel-terror/#comment-2765021 Thu, 21 May 2020 17:43:24 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115729#comment-2765021 I’m not a parent, nor will I ever be as I am childless by choice. But I don’t understand how kids remain so childlike as they mature. The teen years suck, and they always will, even if high schools improved their ability to beat bullying.

I grew up with exactly zero advantages beyond my own intelligence and the drive to escape the confines of poverty. Did I whine about it? Looking at my richer friends who were dating cool, sexy people? Sure, I’m human. But I sucked it up, worked hard and clawed my way out of the poverty trap. Why? Because I’m a goddamn adult.

If these assholes were all overprivileged kids with no experience of being refused anything they wanted (like Trump and his spawn), I’d at least understand how their emotional growth was stunted. But many of these ‘incels’ aren’t in that class. They’re like me, growing up in an environment where nothing was guaranteed, not even food in your mouth or a roof over your head. How do boys like that grow into men with such a sense of entitlement? Is it all about the parenting?

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Comment on Trump suppressing votes by iknklast http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/trump-suppressing-votes/#comment-2764995 Thu, 21 May 2020 14:51:23 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115727#comment-2764995 twiliter, that is so true. My father was voting by absentee ballot before I was born, and I am nearly 60. As a Navy man who was frequently stationed overseas, it was his only option to vote. I have voted by absentee ballot, back when I was living in Oklahoma but working in Texas…going home on Tuesday to vote was not an option.

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Comment on Incel terror by iknklast http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/incel-terror/#comment-2764994 Thu, 21 May 2020 14:49:57 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115729#comment-2764994 Rob, that’s so good a description of what most boys I knew felt (though I didn’t know it at the time, being a girl). And the opposite side is, a lot of girls feel that way, too. I had no boyfriends, did not date, and imagined that all the kids laughed at me. A lot of them did, but there were boys who noticed me. I didn’t know that. Both the boy and me were too uncertain and afraid of being unloveable that we never managed to mix.

In short, incel isn’t just a “guy thing”. Girls go through the same angst. We aren’t out there with our dance cards (sex cards?) all filled up with Chad and Jeremy; we struggle with the stress of feeling unloved, too, and being mocked or rejected by those to whom we are attracted.

JtD, I think that’s part of it, but there is also entitlement. All of that, on top of a sense that they deserve sex and have a right to it is toxic.

One more thing, and then I will shut up for the moment: I am not sure the incel culture is as put upon as it believes itself to be. I have a nephew who is deeply involved in that culture, and several other online misogynist cultures. He is not an incel, though he seems willing to claim the title. He has a girlfriend (has had others), and they have had three children together. He had a child with his former girlfriend. In short, not celibate, whether voluntary or involuntary.

I wonder how many other incels are actually not celibate, but have just joined this culture to hate on women?

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Comment on Incel terror by John the Drunkard http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/incel-terror/#comment-2764989 Thu, 21 May 2020 13:58:16 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115729#comment-2764989 These boy-men are unable to relate socially with women. They’ve been raised in a toxic bubble of pop-culture, ‘purity’ culture, and porn. Rather than follow their sexual feelings out of that morass, they double down into lunatic alt-right fantasy.

They all seem to spout ‘evo-psych’ bullshit to justify their sexism…when that ideology is teaching them that THEY are inferior and should accept their marginalization as ‘natural.’

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Comment on Trump suppressing votes by twiliter http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/trump-suppressing-votes/#comment-2764977 Thu, 21 May 2020 12:00:12 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115727#comment-2764977 Absentee ballot options have been around for a long time, Trump doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I have recieved many over the years in a few different states. Trump might have been sent absentee ballots himself, but I really doubt voting information ever reaches him, he has “employees” to handle such trivial tasks as fetching the mail. Makes me wonder if he ever voted before it became a publicity op for him.

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Comment on A high hazard by gary http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/a-high-hazard/#comment-2764947 Thu, 21 May 2020 06:24:41 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115731#comment-2764947

ordered all residents to evacuate the area immediately.

And half of them refused, citing FREEDOM from TYRANNY.

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Comment on Incel terror by Rob http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/incel-terror/#comment-2764946 Thu, 21 May 2020 06:21:57 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115729#comment-2764946 I distantly recall being young…

Back then I had no idea how to talk to girls, at least not in any way that might lead to anything other than being friends. If only I’d understood at the time that that was pretty much the main thing that’s required. From what I recall, the angst I felt, the angst my peers felt, was about what was wrong with me/us that no-one wanted us. Were we lovable? Would anyone ever want us? The idea of turning that into anger and violence against others is inconceivable to anyone of right mind. And to many of not so right mind I suspect.

Part of me finds it deeply sad that these boys and men are not getting mental health help. Part of me suspects that many of them are more just deeply unpleasant human beings, rather than mentally ill as such.

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Comment on Ford v Trump by Omar http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/ford-v-trump/#comment-2764936 Thu, 21 May 2020 05:13:44 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115711#comment-2764936

“My feeling is that this is becoming more of a statement, a statement of solidarity. By going out and wearing a face mask you show that you are taking action, you show other people you are concerned about this, you are concerned about them, you are concerned about yourself. But perhaps conversely by not wearing a face mask that is also a statement as well,” said Kolstoe, pointing to a recent Politico article with the headline “Wearing a mask is for smug liberals. Refusing to is for reckless Republicans.”

Dr Simon Kolstoe, senior lecturer in evidence-based healthcare and university ethics adviser at the University of Portsmouth,

Going by that, Trump does not give a damn for safety: his own of that of others. I suppose that makes sense, as long as he keeps taking his antimalarial chlorowhatyoumaycallit and swigging antiseptic straight from the bottle.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/21/face-mask-rules-more-political-than-scientific-says-expert

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Comment on Let them eat cheeseburgers by Blood Knight in Sour Armor http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/2020/let-them-eat-cheeseburgers/#comment-2764919 Thu, 21 May 2020 03:08:24 +0000 http://www.ix4ohyd1.top/?p=115735#comment-2764919 You can’t do capitalism where suffering is the end goal rather than the byproduct… It doesn’t work.

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